Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/29/2000 01:45 PM House FIN

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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
February 29, 2000                                                                                                               
1:45 P.M.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 00 - 43, Side 1.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 00 - 43, Side 2.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 00 - 44, Side 1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault called the House Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 1:45 P.M.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault   Representative Foster                                                                                     
Co-Chair Mulder    Representative Grussendorf                                                                                   
Vice Chair Bunde    Representative Moses                                                                                        
Representative G. Davis   Representative Phillips                                                                               
Representative J. Davies  Representative Williams                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman was not present for the meeting.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mike Tibbles, Staff, Representative Gene Therriault; Melinda                                                                    
Hofstad, Staff, Representative Bill Hudson; Guy Bell,                                                                           
Director, Division of Retirement and Benefits, Department of                                                                    
Administration; Ann Campbell, (Testified via                                                                                    
Teleconference), Chair, Alaska Travel Industry Association                                                                      
(ATIA), Anchorage; Carol Kasza, (Testified via                                                                                  
Teleconference), Arctic Treks, Fairbanks; Geron Bruce,                                                                          
Legislative Liaison, Department of Fish and Game; Jeff Bush,                                                                    
Deputy Commissioner, Department of Community & Economic                                                                         
Development; Bill Church, Retirement Supervisor, Division of                                                                    
Retirement and Benefits, Department of Administration.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 206 An Act relating to the migratory game bird                                                                               
conservation tag, to a nonresident combined sport                                                                               
fishing and hunting license, to the nonresident                                                                                 
military small game and sport fishing license, to                                                                               
applications for certain licenses, tags, and                                                                                    
permits issued by the Department of Fish and Game,                                                                              
and to duplicate crewmember licenses.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 HB 206 was HEARD and HELD for the new fiscal note                                                                              
to be received by the Department of Fish and Game.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB 335 An Act relating to information contained in                                                                              
retirement system records; relating to retirement                                                                               
boards; relating to procedures and hearings under                                                                               
state retirement systems; relating to benefits for                                                                              
re-employed retired members of retirement systems;                                                                              
relating to eligibility for normal retirement for                                                                               
members of the teachers' retirement system who                                                                                  
have Alaska BIA credited service; relating to                                                                                   
disability benefits for members of state                                                                                        
retirement systems; relating to deduction of                                                                                    
premiums from retirement benefits; relating to                                                                                  
protection of, and assignment and transfer of,                                                                                  
amounts held in retirement systems; relating to                                                                                 
retirement benefits for certain employees earning                                                                               
high salaries; relating to qualified domestic                                                                                   
relations orders in state retirement systems;                                                                                   
relating to the definition of `retirement fund' in                                                                              
the teachers' retirement system; relating to                                                                                    
membership of state employees in the teachers'                                                                                  
retirement system; relating to refund of                                                                                        
contributions made to the judicial retirement                                                                                   
system or to the former elected public officers                                                                                 
retirement system and repayment of refunded                                                                                     
contributions in those systems; relating to self-                                                                               
insurance and excess loss insurance for persons                                                                                 
receiving benefits from a state retirement system;                                                                              
relating to participation of elected officials in                                                                               
the public employees' retirement system; relating                                                                               
to reinstatement of credited service in the public                                                                              
employees' retirement system after a refund                                                                                     
because of certain levies; relating to the level                                                                                
income option benefit under the public employees'                                                                               
retirement system; relating to participation of                                                                                 
employees of political subdivisions and public                                                                                  
organizations in the public employees' retirement                                                                               
system; relating to penalties for attempts to                                                                                   
defraud the public employees' retirement system;                                                                                
relating to the definition of `pension fund' in                                                                                 
the public employees' retirement system; relating                                                                               
to calculation of years of service and of benefits                                                                              
under the public employees' retirement system for                                                                               
non-certificated employees of certain educational                                                                               
employers; and relating to individual accounts                                                                                  
maintained for members of the former elected                                                                                    
public officers retirement system.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 CS HB 335 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with                                                                             
"no recommendation" and with a fiscal note by the                                                                               
Department of Administration dated 2/23/00.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB 420 An Act relating to tourism marketing contracts;                                                                          
and providing for an effective date.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS HB 420 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with                                                                              
"no recommendation".                                                                                                            
HOUSE BILL NO. 206                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
An Act relating to the migratory game bird conservation                                                                         
tag, to a nonresident combined sport fishing and                                                                                
hunting license, to the nonresident military small game                                                                         
and sport fishing license, to applications for certain                                                                          
licenses, tags, and permits issued by the Department of                                                                         
Fish and Game, and to duplicate crewmember licenses.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MIKE TIBBLES, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE GENE THERRIUALT, spoke                                                                      
to the two modifications made in the work draft committee                                                                       
substitute.  The first change resulted from a conceptual                                                                        
amendment insertion of "annual", Page 3, Line 12.  Mr.                                                                          
Tibble advised the other change addressed the confusing                                                                         
wording in Section 5.  That language was removed and the                                                                        
specified amount for the non-resident military small game                                                                       
hunting license and the amount for the non-resident sport-                                                                      
fishing license.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tibble's added that there was an error to Page 3, Line                                                                      
30.  The amount should read "$20".                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to adopt the work draft, 1-LS0858\M,                                                                      
Utermohle, 2/29/00.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                           
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to adopt Amendment #1, 1-LS0858\K.3,                                                                      
Utermohle, 2/28/00.  [Copy on File].  He explained that the                                                                     
amendment would allow for a reciprocal relationship with the                                                                    
Yukon Territory for a resident license fee.  He noted that                                                                      
the Yukon currently offers this option to Alaskans.  He                                                                         
suggested that to offer it back, would be in the "spirit of                                                                     
compromising".  Co-Chair Therriault OBJECTED.  He believed                                                                      
it would be more advantageous for residents of the Yukon to                                                                     
come into Alaska to fish than it would be for the Alaskan                                                                       
residents to go into the Yukon.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips noted that this issue had come up                                                                       
during the Subcommittee meetings.  She pointed out the many                                                                     
sport fishermen that go to the Yukon for hunting and                                                                            
fishing.  She supported the amendment, stating the timing                                                                       
was right.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder pointed out that the amendment addressed                                                                        
only the Yukon Territory, not British Columbia. The Yukon is                                                                    
not a large area, yet those residents have a mobile                                                                             
population that likes to come into Alaska to take advantage                                                                     
of these activities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GERON BRUCE, LEGISLATIVE LIAISON, DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND                                                                        
GAME, advised that there would be a fiscal impact with a                                                                        
negative impact to revenues.  He agreed with Co-Chair Mulder                                                                    
that it would be minimal. Mr. Bruce commented that the                                                                          
Department would need to do some analysis to determine the                                                                      
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bruce advised that the Department has not taken a                                                                           
position on the amendment at this point.  He pointed out                                                                        
that when Senator Donley enacted SB 7, it significantly                                                                         
raised non-resident fishing license.  The purpose of that                                                                       
bill was to reduce the impact on Alaska resident fishers                                                                        
from non-residents coming in and competing and the action                                                                       
did have that effect. He noted that HB 206 would run                                                                            
contrary to SB 7. Mr. Bruce stated that it is not clear that                                                                    
the suggested arrangement is currently offered to Alaskans                                                                      
going into the Yukon.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde asked what type fisheries were in the                                                                          
Yukon.  Mr. Bruce could not speak to the type of fish                                                                           
traffic going into the Yukon.  Representative Grussendorf                                                                       
agreed that there would be more pressure for the Canadians                                                                      
to come into Alaska for fishing.  He noted that he would not                                                                    
support the amendment.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde thought that the greatest impact would be                                                                      
to Southeast Alaska.  He asked the projected impact the bill                                                                    
would have to the tourist industry.  Mr. Bruce could only                                                                       
speculate on that traffic.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips reiterated that the population in                                                                       
the Yukon Territory is small and that the legislation would                                                                     
bring "good will" between the two areas.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Discussion followed regarding the threat to the entire ferry                                                                    
fleet in Canada for only six fish.  Co-Chair Mulder                                                                             
corrected that was in British Columbia and not the Yukon.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault maintained his objection to the                                                                             
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Moses, Phillips, Bunde, G. Davis, Foster,                                                                             
Mulder                                                                                                                          
OPPOSED:  Williams, J. Davies, Grussendorf, Therriault                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman was not present for the vote.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (6-4).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that the amendment would change                                                                       
the dollar amount.  He requested that the Department provide                                                                    
the new note before the bill would move from Committee.  Co-                                                                    
Chair Mulder commented that the fiscal note would affect the                                                                    
Department of Fish and Game and not the general fund.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB 206 was HELD in Committee for final approval of the                                                                          
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
HOUSE BILL NO. 420                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
An Act relating to tourism marketing contracts; and                                                                             
providing for an effective date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault stated that HB 420 had been introduced                                                                      
at his request and would address the shift in the contract                                                                      
date between the Department and ATIA.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ANNE CAMPBELL, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), CHAIR, ALASKA                                                                    
TRAVEL INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION (ATIA), ANCHORAGE, voiced her                                                                       
concern regarding the timing scheduled to sign the upcoming                                                                     
contract.  She requested that it be changed because of                                                                          
production expense and fund raising activities which need to                                                                    
take place six to eight months before an advertising                                                                            
campaign can be initiated.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She commented that visitors planning a trip to Alaska                                                                           
require information approximately one year prior to their                                                                       
intended travel date.  Starting distribution of the 2001                                                                        
Vacation Planner in October 2000 is critical to visitor                                                                         
industry businesses.  Research has shown that the peak                                                                          
planning period for an Alaska vacation is 6 to 9 months                                                                         
prior to the intended date of travel.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Campbell stated that ATIA is concerned that there needs                                                                     
to be more clarity regarding the industry intent.  The                                                                          
industry understands that at this time, the fund will not be                                                                    
available until July.  By making that an earlier date would                                                                     
provide ATIA a target date to address other activities                                                                          
regarding production, marketing and raising commitments from                                                                    
the private sector.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault interjected that if the contract date                                                                       
were changed, the Legislature would still be in session and                                                                     
would be able to address concerns resulting from the                                                                            
transition year.  He thought that the Legislature should be                                                                     
able to balance the marketing activity.  He wanted to see                                                                       
that written in contract and signed during session.  He                                                                         
asked if there would be problems completing the negotiations                                                                    
by April 1st.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Campbell replied that ATIA hopes to be able to meet that                                                                    
date.  She pointed out that currently there is communication                                                                    
between the Department and ATIA.  She noted that there are                                                                      
philosophical differences with the Department, however, both                                                                    
parties are attempting to have a contract resolution as                                                                         
expeditiously as possible.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips voiced concern that HB 420 had not                                                                      
yet come to the Tourism Committee.  She emphasized that the                                                                     
proposed legislation changes more than the date.                                                                                
Representative Phillips requested that the Department                                                                           
testify on the changes which the legislation would make.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JEFF BUSH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY &                                                                       
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT testified that the Department does have                                                                    
concerns with the proposed legislation and listed the                                                                           
general concerns.  He noted that the April 1st date was to                                                                      
early, however, August 1st would be better for everyone                                                                         
involved.  It is very difficult to negotiate a contract when                                                                    
the amount of the contract is indefinite.  Mr. Bush pointed                                                                     
out that in the manner in which the legislation was                                                                             
structured last year, the Department is responsible to                                                                          
decide which components must exist in a tourism contract.                                                                       
He stressed that it would be difficult to accomplish that                                                                       
without knowing in advance what the funding level is going                                                                      
to be.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush pointed out that an additional concern is that the                                                                     
proposed April date falls at the end of the Legislature.                                                                        
That is a very busy time for the Department and private                                                                         
industry as well.  He pointed out that the fund raising                                                                         
takes place through the selling of the Vacation Planner ads                                                                     
through May.  He projected that it would be difficult for                                                                       
industry to guarantee fund raising by the April 1st date.                                                                       
Under statute, the industry would need to guarantee a match                                                                     
requirement.  He reiterated that it would be difficult to                                                                       
raise the funds by the April 1st date.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush advised that the Department's concerns are more                                                                        
magnified this year in as much as it is the transition year.                                                                    
The legislation requires that the Department approve a                                                                          
marketing plan.  That marketing plan is supposed to be put                                                                      
together by a marketing team.  He indicated that the team                                                                       
was just recently formed a couple of weeks ago.  There has                                                                      
not been a plan yet proposed by the industry.  He stated                                                                        
that the Department is confident that a plan will not be                                                                        
available by April 1st.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush quoted AS 44.33.125(B), which lists the essential                                                                      
components that should be included in a marketing contract.                                                                     
Mr. Bush reiterated that creating such a plan is unrealistic                                                                    
given the short period of time remaining before April 1st.                                                                      
He mentioned the fund raising issue.  He added that if a                                                                        
contract is not entered into, then theoretically, the                                                                           
Department is supposed to do the marketing without even                                                                         
considering entering into a contract.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush noted that the State is responsible to determine                                                                       
that the entity that they are contracting with has a set                                                                        
membership. That membership is set, based upon who actually                                                                     
joins the organization.  The permanent members are not yet                                                                      
known and the Department can not enter into a contract with                                                                     
them until that information is available.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips inquired if the Department thought                                                                      
that the concerns expressed could be handled by July 1st.                                                                       
Mr. Bush replied that they could be addressed by then and                                                                       
that it would be good timing as that is the beginning of the                                                                    
new fiscal year.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault interjected that the Department                                                                             
negotiates contracts all the time that are contingent on                                                                        
funding from the Legislature.  He asked why that would be a                                                                     
problem for this contract.  Mr. Bush explained that it would                                                                    
be uncomfortable with concerns such as the Internet                                                                             
coverage.  In conclusion, he stated it would be the                                                                             
components "at the edge" that would be an issue for budget                                                                      
concerns.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault advised that the industry has indicated                                                                     
that they would take the current plan and move it forward.                                                                      
Mr. Bush explained that a proposal being rolled forward has                                                                     
been expected since the beginning of the process.  However,                                                                     
the language of the statue reads that the marketing plan                                                                        
must be put together by their marketing organization and                                                                        
that it must meet the requirements of the statute.  He                                                                          
argued that there might be a dispute over some of the                                                                           
details of that plan.  Until the plan is presented to the                                                                       
Department, there is no assurance that the existing program                                                                     
will roll forward.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde supported the idea of an April date giving                                                                     
the Legislature long-term oversight, however, he understood                                                                     
that this was a transition year and that the July might work                                                                    
better.  Mr. Bush acknowledged that moving the date to July                                                                     
1st would alleviate many of the Department's concerns.  He                                                                      
admitted that there remain concerns regarding appropriations                                                                    
following the contract issue.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Campbell clarified that the ATIA marketing committee has                                                                    
been meeting for the past two weeks in order to able to meet                                                                    
the deadlines.  She requested more discussion regarding what                                                                    
needs to be included in the marketing plan.  Ms. Campbell                                                                       
noted that April 1st is the goal.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault inquired if the funding amount "slipped"                                                                    
a little, would that language is expected in the contract.                                                                      
Ms. Campbell explained that industry understands the                                                                            
position of the Department, however, the reality is that                                                                        
there are targets which will continue to work well for ATIA.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault pointed out that there is a condensed                                                                       
time period during the summer months when the tourism                                                                           
activities are at their peak.  He believed that last year,                                                                      
the Legislature made the wrong decision when choosing the                                                                       
August date.  If the July 1st date were used, that would be                                                                     
in conflict with the peak tourism period.  Ms. Campbell                                                                         
agreed the wrong date had been chosen.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Campbell pointed out that ATIA does not collect all the                                                                     
funds at one time.  ATIA is prepared to bring the match in                                                                      
as the funds are brought in.  Co-Chair Therriault inquired                                                                      
the latest date that would work for ATIA that would not be                                                                      
interuptive with seasonal business.  Ms. Campbell replied                                                                       
that industry could go with the May 1st date this year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies suggested an option would be to                                                                        
forward fund the contract for one year, which would then                                                                        
provide time for ATIA to raise the match.  He agreed that                                                                       
this year, presents a unique circumstance.  Co-Chair                                                                            
Therriault responded that he did not anticipate funding this                                                                    
component for two years.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips pointed out that at present time,                                                                       
the Department does not have an "entity" to negotiate with.                                                                     
She agreed that there would be great merit in establishing                                                                      
an earlier time for the industry in years out, but not this                                                                     
year, the transition year.  Representative Phillips                                                                             
recommended that for this year only, the date be established                                                                    
for July 1st and from then forward, the date could be set for                                                                   
either April or May 1st.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAROL KASZA, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), ARCTIC TREKS,                                                                      
FAIRBANKS, agreed with Department's recommendations                                                                             
regarding the date change.  She commented that she is a                                                                         
member of ATIA.  She believed that there would be a "shake                                                                      
down" in the original negotiations.  Ms. Kasza commented                                                                        
that in the future, the April date would make more sense and                                                                    
that the idea of forward funding would be the best idea.                                                                        
Ms. Kasza voiced full support of fully funding the budget                                                                       
for the Division of Tourism.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED to adopt Amendment 1, which would                                                                     
change the date to May 1, on Page 1, Line 6.  Representative                                                                    
Phillips OBJECTED.  She reiterated that one more month would                                                                    
not work this year and that ATIA needs the time to get the                                                                      
program in place so that it will be effective and the                                                                           
transition has time to work.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf commented that the proposed                                                                          
change would place the Division into a "state of flux" that                                                                     
it would spread the Department to "thin".  He supported a                                                                       
date change to July 1st.  Co-Chair Therriault reiterated that                                                                   
it is important that the Legislature be in session in order                                                                     
to comment on the final product.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde questioned the urgency for this year.  He                                                                      
noted that May 1st would be too late for the Legislature to                                                                     
have much input.  Co-Chair Therriault explained that it is                                                                      
important to get through the transition year.  He believed                                                                      
that this would be the most important year.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis pointed out that this "plan" has                                                                        
been thought out and discussed for a long time.  He believed                                                                    
that the plan could already be put in place.  Co-Chair                                                                          
Therriault reiterated his intent that the Committee was here                                                                    
to look at the contract.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips emphasized that it is important to                                                                      
realize that until the membership is set, the Department                                                                        
does not have anyone to contract with.  She pointed out the                                                                     
concern has not yet been addressed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Williams, Bunde, G. Davis, Foster, Mulder,                                                                            
Therriault                                                                                                                      
OPPOSED:  Phillips, J. Davies, Grussendorf, Moses                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman was not present for the vote.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (6-4).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to report CS HB 420 (FIN) out of                                                                          
Committee with individual recommendations.  There being NO                                                                      
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CS HB 420 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with "no                                                                          
recommendation".                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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HOUSE BILL NO. 335                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
An Act relating to information contained in retirement                                                                          
system records; relating to retirement boards; relating                                                                         
to procedures and hearings under state retirement                                                                               
systems; relating to benefits for re-employed retired                                                                           
members of retirement systems; relating to eligibility                                                                          
for normal retirement for members of the teachers'                                                                              
retirement system who have Alaska BIA credited service;                                                                         
relating to disability benefits for members of state                                                                            
retirement systems; relating to deduction of premiums                                                                           
from retirement benefits; relating to protection of,                                                                            
and assignment and transfer of, amounts held in                                                                                 
retirement systems; relating to retirement benefits for                                                                         
certain employees earning high salaries; relating to                                                                            
qualified domestic relations orders in state retirement                                                                         
systems; relating to the definition of `retirement                                                                              
fund' in the teachers' retirement system; relating to                                                                           
membership of state employees in the teachers'                                                                                  
retirement system; relating to refund of contributions                                                                          
made to the judicial retirement system or to the former                                                                         
elected public officers retirement system and repayment                                                                         
of refunded contributions in those systems; relating to                                                                         
self-insurance and excess loss insurance for persons                                                                            
receiving benefits from a state retirement system;                                                                              
relating to participation of elected officials in the                                                                           
public employees' retirement system; relating to                                                                                
reinstatement of credited service in the public                                                                                 
employees' retirement system after a refund because of                                                                          
certain levies; relating to the level income option                                                                             
benefit under the public employees' retirement system;                                                                          
relating to participation of employees of political                                                                             
subdivisions and public organizations in the public                                                                             
employees' retirement system; relating to penalties for                                                                         
attempts to defraud the public employees' retirement                                                                            
system; relating to the definition of `pension fund' in                                                                         
the public employees' retirement system; relating to                                                                            
calculation of years of service and of benefits under                                                                           
the public employees' retirement system for                                                                                     
noncertificated employees of certain educational                                                                                
employers; and relating to individual accounts                                                                                  
maintained for members of the former elected public                                                                             
officers retirement system.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MELINDA HOFSTAD, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON,                                                                             
explained that HB 335 had been introduced at the request of                                                                     
the Division of Retirement and Benefits, and is a clean up                                                                      
bill.  Ms. Hofstad noted that according to the Department of                                                                    
Administration, there are federal laws, court settlements                                                                       
and other technical issues that need to be addressed in                                                                         
updated State law.  Additionally, indicated in the                                                                              
legislation are some efficiency measures requested by                                                                           
various retirement boards.  She added that there has not                                                                        
been a clean-up bill for many years and some of the issues                                                                      
addressed in HB 335 are longstanding ones.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hofstad added that the legislation is aimed at                                                                              
addressing issues involving clarification of current                                                                            
practices and law, compliance with new federal laws,                                                                            
compliance with various settlements, and board efficiencies.                                                                    
She noted that every effort had been made to stay away from                                                                     
policy changes.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hofstad concluded that there is nothing in the                                                                              
legislation that enhances or diminishes any retirement                                                                          
benefit for active employees or retirees in any public                                                                          
retirement system, and no section, which will increase                                                                          
employer's costs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to adopt the work draft version 1-                                                                        
LS1217\K, Cramer, 2/29/00, as the version before the                                                                            
Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GUY BELL, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF RETIREMENT AND BENEFITS,                                                                        
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRAITON, spoke to the changes made in                                                                      
the version before the Committee.  He provided a brief                                                                          
sectional analysis.  Mr. Bell commented that he had spoken                                                                      
to each Committee member or their staff regarding the                                                                           
legislation.  Representative J. Davies pointed out that                                                                         
discussion had not been to the version before the Committee                                                                     
at present time.  Co-Chair Therriault advised that the                                                                          
committee substitute had "dropped out" a few sections.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
? Mr. Bell stated that Section 1 was needed as a result                                                                         
of Court action.  The section exempts member's records,                                                                         
including retiree records under the Public Records Act.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked why the retiree organization                                                                          
should have access to that information.  Mr. Bell replied                                                                       
that those retirees would be representing the interest of                                                                       
the systems retirees, and disseminating information from the                                                                    
retiree organization.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde inquired if that organization was composed                                                                     
only of members from the State system.  Mr. Bell replied                                                                        
that the language is specific to retires receiving benefits                                                                     
under one of the State's systems.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde pointed out that it was the intent of the                                                                      
Alaska Association of Retired Persons (AARP) to represent                                                                       
people retired from a number of different systems.  Mr. Bell                                                                    
explained that the section was more narrowly defined and                                                                        
that they must be affiliated with an organization                                                                               
representing employees in this system.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault inquired where that section came from.                                                                      
Mr. Bell replied that piece resulted from requests from the                                                                     
retiree organizations.  He could not remember who that group                                                                    
consisted of.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
? Section 2 is a technical clean up for the physician                                                                           
board members recommendation for efficiency for medical                                                                         
disability appeals.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf questioned the appeal process.                                                                       
Mr. Bell explained the way the disability process works.  If                                                                    
a claim is denied, the person has the right to appeal.  The                                                                     
retirement board then has a formal appeal.  If it is a                                                                          
medical disability, the board would include two physicians                                                                      
to participate and then they would make the ruling.  He                                                                         
noted that decision could be open to challenge in the                                                                           
Supreme Court.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
? Section 3 would carry a fiscal impact.  Mr. Bell noted                                                                        
that a fiscal note had been submitted with the bill for                                                                         
$29 thousand dollars.  This section would provide an                                                                            
honorarium payment to the Teacher Retirement System                                                                             
(TRS) Board members.                                                                                                            
? Section 4 would place in statute, regulations defining                                                                        
a quorum.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked what had been dropped.  Mr.                                                                      
Bell replied that Section 4 was dropped out of the work                                                                         
draft before the Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that after he had requested that                                                                      
the committee substitute be drafted, he had reconsidered his                                                                    
choice.  He noted that he had an amendment drafted to                                                                           
address that concern, 1-LS1217\K.1, Cramer, 2/29/00.  [Copy                                                                     
on File].                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
? Mr. Bell noted that Section 4 was an effort to make the                                                                       
hearing process consistent with the appeals.                                                                                    
? Section 5 makes a clarification or correction which the                                                                       
Department believes is appropriate for the penalty a                                                                            
person takes when they retire early and then                                                                                    
subsequently comes back to work.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BILL CHURCH, RETIREMENT SUPERVISOR, DIVISION OF RETIREMENT                                                                      
AND BENEFITS, DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION, noted that when                                                                     
someone elects to retire before their normal retirement                                                                         
date, they take a reduced benefit spread over their life-                                                                       
time. When someone returns to work under the current law,                                                                       
they forego their retirement benefit for reemployment.  Once                                                                    
they re-retire, their benefit is recalculated, however,                                                                         
the first contract remains in place.  There are no                                                                              
adjustments to that benefit currently under law.  Section 5                                                                     
would give equity so that the individual would be able to                                                                       
receive back the equity that they had lost.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
? Mr. Bell commented that Section 6 would clarify the                                                                           
existing practice for the Bureau of Indian Services                                                                             
(BIA) section.                                                                                                                  
? Section 7 adds another clarification of how the State                                                                         
does business on disability benefits for teachers.                                                                              
? Section 8 addresses filing requirements for                                                                                   
disabilities by making them the same for teachers and                                                                           
public employees.  It would create consistency between                                                                          
the TRS and Personnel Employee Retirement System                                                                                
(PERS).                                                                                                                         
? Section 10, contained in the State Affairs version, has                                                                       
been deleted from the current work draft.  That section                                                                         
clarified that the TERS board does have a roll in                                                                               
advising on ad hoc pension and post retirement pension                                                                          
adjustments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked why that section had not been                                                                    
included.  Co-Chair Therriault noted that the language would                                                                    
"muddy" the waters by including it in statute as the                                                                            
practice is currently being done.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies inquired why the board had                                                                             
requested that clarification.  Mr. Bell replied that the                                                                        
Board felt that this was an important role of theirs.  He                                                                       
acknowledged that this is not currently an issue.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies acknowledged that he knew very                                                                         
little regarding this area.  He suggested that the language                                                                     
might avoid expensive lawsuits.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the Board would be making the                                                                      
policy calls or giving the advice.  He questioned if                                                                            
inclusion of that language would provide an opening for                                                                         
potential problems.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
? Mr. Bell stated that Section 11 was a clarification of                                                                        
the practice regarding the deducting of retiree                                                                                 
insurance premiums from the retirement checks.                                                                                  
? Section 12 addresses the Qualified Domestic Relations                                                                         
Order (QDRO) and allows the alternate employee the                                                                              
right to receive the identified portion of a                                                                                    
contribution account.                                                                                                           
? Section 13 allows direct rollover of an individual's                                                                          
retirement account to an IRA, which would be a                                                                                  
convenience to all members.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips questioned if there was a charge                                                                        
associated for that service.  Mr. Bell replied that there is                                                                    
no charge or penalty for that service.  It is more                                                                              
convenient for the Department.  The second part of Section                                                                      
13 is a deletion for the authorization for a voluntary                                                                          
deduction of the membership dues.  It has been deleted in                                                                       
the committee substitute.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked why it had been removed.  Co-                                                                    
Chair Therriault advised that he personally did not like the                                                                    
automatic system.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
? Mr. Bell continued, Sections 14 & 15 clarify that if a                                                                        
person commits fraud, it is a Class A misdemeanor.                                                                              
? Section 16 is an Internal Revenue Service (IRS)                                                                               
requirement adjustment.                                                                                                         
? Section 17 sets a limit on compensation base                                                                                  
calculation of retirement benefits.                                                                                             
? Section 18 is a Qualified Domestic Relations Order                                                                            
(QDRO) definition to clarify that a former spouse has a                                                                         
right to the contribution account of a member.                                                                                  
? Section 19 clarifies who in the Department of Education                                                                       
is in the TRS system.                                                                                                           
? Section 20 moves the Judicial Retirement System (JRS).                                                                        
? Sections 21-24 address the same situation in the JRS                                                                          
QDRO's concern and the ability to roll money directly                                                                           
to an IRA and the deduction of premiums for insurance.                                                                          
? Section 25 takes the same actions for the National                                                                            
Guard and Naval Militia Retirement System.                                                                                      
? Section 26 adds language authorizing self-insurance for                                                                       
the retiree-medical, dental, audio and long term care.                                                                          
? Section 27 would separate the PERS Board from the other                                                                       
personnel boards.                                                                                                               
? Section 28 would change the election process.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault advised that Section 28 was included as                                                                     
the Alaska State Pension Investment Board (ASPIB) uses that                                                                     
system. Representative Phillips asked if it was common                                                                          
practice that a majority of members not be present for a                                                                        
vote. Mr. Bell noted that over the past elections years,                                                                        
there have been multiple candidates with voter run off.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
? Mr. Bell commented that Section 29 identifies the                                                                             
appointment and number of physician members to the PERS                                                                         
Board.                                                                                                                          
? Section 30 provides for an honorarium payment to the                                                                          
PERS Board members consistent with that paid to the                                                                             
members of the ASPIB.                                                                                                           
? Section 31 relates to the definition of a quorum for                                                                          
the conduct of its business.  He noted that this                                                                                
resulted from the passage of SB 9, last session.                                                                                
? Section 32 clarifies that the PERS Board has the                                                                              
authority to adopt regulations for the conduct of                                                                               
hearings.                                                                                                                       
? Section 33 is new and applies to PERS membership only                                                                         
in how to move in and out of the retirement system for                                                                          
elected officials.                                                                                                              
? Section 34 addresses the early retirement system                                                                              
previously addressed by Mr. Church.                                                                                             
? Sections 35-39 relates to SB 9 and the revocability of                                                                        
an election for non-certificated school district                                                                                
employees.                                                                                                                      
? Sections 40-41 address the filing requirements for                                                                            
disabilities.                                                                                                                   
? Section 42 clarifies that the level income option,                                                                            
which was repealed in 1996, is available to people in                                                                           
the system before that date.                                                                                                    
? Section 43 would clarify that the PERS Board has an                                                                           
advisory role and ad hoc for post retirement pension                                                                            
vestments.  That section has been deleted in the work                                                                           
draft.                                                                                                                          
? New Section 43 addresses the QDRO for member account                                                                          
contributions.                                                                                                                  
? Section 44 allows the rollover into an individual                                                                             
retirement account.                                                                                                             
? Sections 45-47 removes language no longer necessary                                                                           
because of sections added earlier in the bill.                                                                                  
? Section 48 is the authorization to deduct retiree                                                                             
insurance premiums.                                                                                                             
? Section 49 is a new section applying to PERS only.  It                                                                        
addresses issues where employee requests the employer                                                                           
to withdraw their coverage in the PERS system.                                                                                  
? Section 50 defines the Class A misdemeanor and added to                                                                       
that particular retirement system.  Mr. Bell noted that                                                                         
this was another clarification of SB 9, regarding the                                                                           
basis calculation for the surcharge.                                                                                            
? Sections 51-52 are the highly compensated individual                                                                          
requirements of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) code                                                                         
for PERS.                                                                                                                       
? Section 53 clarifies that the income on investments of                                                                        
the PERS fund does belong to that fund.                                                                                         
? Section 54 speaks to the QDRO's related language for                                                                          
the PERS.                                                                                                                       
? Section 55 would remove the physician's members of the                                                                        
PERS and TRS board from the requirements of Sections 39                                                                         
and 50.                                                                                                                         
? Section 56 provides repeller language to the current                                                                          
language contained in law.                                                                                                      
? Sections 57-58 are changes to the Elected Public                                                                              
Retirement System (EPORS) and make that statute                                                                                 
consistent with the PERS and TRS.                                                                                               
? Section 59 was previously addressed and makes that                                                                            
language consistent.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED to adopt Amendment #1, which                                                                          
speaks to the setting of the quorum. [Copy on File].  Mr.                                                                       
Bell explained that the amendment would provide clear                                                                           
authority in statute to allow the boards to do what they                                                                        
currently have already been doing.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
(TAPE CHANGE, HFC 00 - 44, Side 1).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bell noted that any thing that the Board does could be                                                                      
challenged in Court.  The amendment would provide an                                                                            
effective way to protect that challenge.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde voiced support of the amendment.  He asked                                                                     
if the amendment should contain additional guidance language                                                                    
assuming a minimum of members.  Mr. Bell suggested that                                                                         
would be a policy call for the Legislature to make.  He did                                                                     
not think that it would be a necessary call.  The Board does                                                                    
not have independent regulation making authority and it                                                                         
would be subject to public process.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde MOVED to report CS HB 335 (FIN) out of                                                                         
Committee with individual recommendations and with the                                                                          
accompanying fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                     
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS HB 335 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with a "no                                                                        
recommendation" and with a fiscal note by the Department of                                                                     
Administration dated 2/23/00.                                                                                                   
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The meeting adjourned at 3:25 P.M.                                                                                              
H.F.C. 16 2/29/00                                                                                                               

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